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Barrogh Habalu Forever Winter Absolute Zero. 946	Posted - 2015.07.23 06:44:20 - [1] - Quote Pend Insurance should brace themselves, for drifters are coming. Oh well, it's not like they are making any profits anyway... Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Barrogh Habalu Forever Winter Absolute Zero. 953	Posted - 2015.07.24 08:56:27 - [2] - Quote Daemun Khanid wrote: If they continue to actually develop the story in a way that influences the game/universe then it's all fine and good. I'll slip some negativity here and say that it will also be a minor case of "rip sandbox" when player-generated content is being replaced with GMs (or devs in this particular case) screwing around with people by drifter proxies. I mean, one thing is when someone does PvE and gets suicide ganked for his trouble. Another thing when basically the same happens to him by NPC hand... Doesn't that feel a bit shallow? Is EVE there yet that it must have bots trying to actively do stuff in order to provide content? I don't know. Sansha incursions still feel more like tools for players, of resource deposit variety, drifters actively interfering with everything is something else... Rawketsled wrote: Just needs the Seeker AI turned up to 11. Get them to fight more like players. There's ML techniques that you could train off the server logs. They need to act without being tied to grid and simple spawning/despawning mechanisms in order for that to work. Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Barrogh Habalu Forever Winter Absolute Zero. 1018	Posted - 2015.08.12 05:16:52 - [3] - Quote Oxide Ammar wrote: There are no blingy enough BS in fleet with logi that could be able to tank 700K omni dmg that drifters do in this incursion, is this new drifter incursion for capital ships ? dreads and carriers Or people will actually have to gasp expend ships. Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Barrogh Habalu Forever Winter Absolute Zero. 1018	Posted - 2015.08.12 05:41:16 - [4] - Quote Oxide Ammar wrote: What is the incentive for me to lose every time I sit doing incursion a 2-3 bill worth BS just because " Dude you just got DD'd by drifter and we can't do anything about it !".....31 mill like in HQ ? I think I'll pass on this. Nobody said you must fly 2-3 bil BS. Not like you will suddenly get Drifter site when warping into what looks like Sansha site. Like I've mentioned already, caps are off limits in sites right now, so there's that. As for incentives, well... Payout/h - Expenditure/h = ISK/hour, the latter can still be considerable. Don't forget your insurance, and loot your wrecks (if drifters don't pop them, that's it). Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Barrogh Habalu Forever Winter Absolute Zero. 1020	Posted - 2015.08.12 12:00:14 - [5] - Quote Oxide Ammar wrote: Have you ever seen incursion fleet done in T1 cheap BS with T2 fitting ? It takes ages to finish the site. Also your math is flawed because if CCP followed this they need to make site payout huge. I've seen worse. I've started there. Payout was still better than what people with that kind of skills and ships could get anywhere in hisec still, and arguably better than null ratting in half-decent ships was at the time. And I'm talking accepting BCs and shield fitting amarr ships and no T2 guns whatsoever because :newbfleet: level of badness. It's a matter of comparison with what you think ISK/hour should be. And we don't know CCP plans for existing content... Speaking of payout - it's currently meh apparently. Again, we don't know what it will become eventually. New items for unique LP? More ISK? Something else? Maybe payout will be in the form of keeping your hisec space where you can farm Sansha/L4s Drifter-gank-free, I don't know. I mean, they did say that incursions will spread (from my understanding - unless stopped) and that drifters will gank people anywhere in space for sh* and giggles, right? Oxide Ammar wrote: Edit: I'm not demanding a capital incursion, but by the look from the numbers and DD dmg (~700k omni dmg as they say) I thought the only ships they can tank that was capital ships since they have enough buffer, but since we aren't obligated to fly blingy pirate BS I'm just gonna park bowhead with 3 fitted Hyperions just in case. -.- Something tells me that it will be a way to go unless something will be discovered about DDs or people will just decide it's not worth the trouble. Anthar Thebess wrote:** This is getting interesting. Drifter incursions in higsec/lowsec/nullsec but Sansha incursions only in lowsec and nullsec. Finally CCP! Good move. "Yay CCP doing something in my imagination!" And before we proceed with moving Sansha to low/null entirely, can we please axe NPC kill stats and incursion influence levels from across the galaxy to know where exactly we must head in order to gank juicy battleship fleet? Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Barrogh Habalu Forever Winter Absolute Zero. 1022	Posted - 2015.08.13 08:04:14 - [6] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: You know a Null Incursion is over 200% more profitable than a high-sec incursion now right? Kinete Jenius wrote: What really cracks me up is Black Pedro though. People already farm sleeper sites and such while watching netflix. That is because you guys don't get into your ships to do it less profitable for them and require them to pay attention to what's going on, I suppose. I mean, you are doing things with ISK you make anyway, right? Kinete Jenius wrote: It won't show anything as by the end of the first day people will have it figured out and be farming it. Even if CCP changed the setup on a near daily basis it'll be figured out very quickly and well farmed before the day is over. If it's not farmable than few people will run it and CCP will invest time/effort/money on new content that no one runs. I'm not sure why you have such a problem with incursions being farmed but not a variety of other sites/locations being farmed. I don't think farmability is the problem. Point is not that CCP should make it impossible to farm but that they will be able to adjust sites as they see fit every time they think it's due without upsetting community too much since the latter are already conditioned to take looses and adapt by very nature of sites. That said, basic mech should remain consistent IMO otherwise players will feel like being cheated and from my experience it's absolutely not fun to play with video game equivalent of "rocks fall, everybody dies" game master. Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Barrogh Habalu Forever Winter Absolute Zero. 1041	Posted - 2015.08.27 11:41:51 - [7] - Quote Gimme Sake wrote: Why not make drifter incursions take over/destroy sov structures then expanding to nearby systems when one is overrun? Make them attack everything inside the system, explorers, ratters, miners, Pos, stations etc. Add NPC stations and mission runners to that list while we are at it Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become

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